It is a rush transcript from “Fox Information Sunday” November 22, 2020. This copy is probably not in its last type and could also be up to date.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR:  I am Chris Wallace.

The CDC advises American in opposition to touring this Thanksgiving, as

coronavirus instances overwhelm hospitals throughout the nation and the demise toll

rises.

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DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSITUTE FOR ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS

DISEASES:  Pause for a second and do a dedication of the risk-benefit

inside your loved ones group.

WALLACE (voice-over):  State and native governments tightening restrictions

on eating places, companies, and social gatherings initially of the

nation’s busiest journey season.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I will see my household Chicago and I am so excited

to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I feel individuals ought to keep house. It will get lonely out

there although.

WALLACE:  We’ll discuss with Dr. Tom Inglesby, head of the Heart for Well being

Safety, about methods to hold your self protected as we watch for COVID vaccines.

Then, President-elect Biden’s group expresses frustration over the delayed

transition.

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT-ELECT:  We do not have entry to all the data

that we have to get from all the assorted businesses.

WALLACE:  We’ll ask Kate Bedingfield, senior advisor to the Biden

transition, how the delay will have an effect on his capacity to steer on day one.

Plus —

RUDY GIULIANI, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ATTORNEY:  They did not elect Joe Biden.

WALLACE:  We’ll ask our Sunday panel about President Trump’s persevering with bid

to reverse the 2020 election. What are his possibilities?

And —

WILTON GREGORY, ARCHBISHOP OF WASHINGTON, D.C.:  I considered changing into a

priest earlier than I considered changing into Catholic.

WALLACE:  The archbishop of Washington about to make historical past because the

nation’s first African-American cardinal.

All, proper now, on “FOX Information Sunday”.

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WALLACE (on digital camera):  And howdy once more from FOX Information in Washington.

This weekend, People are being urged to double down on the life-saving

measures resembling social distancing and masks sporting because the demise toll from

the coronavirus passes 250,000, and a document 195,000 new instances simply on

Friday. The exploding numbers prompting the CDC to induce individuals to not

journey for Thanksgiving.

In a second, we’ll focus on the newest spike and the excellent news about

vaccines with Dr. Tom Inglesby, one of many nation’s main specialists on

infectious illness.

However first, Mark Meredith stories on the powerful decisions People are going through

this vacation season.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  I am a university pupil, so I do not actually have a lot of

a selection, however I feel any pointless journey ought to be prevented.

MARK MEREDITH, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over):  Hundreds of thousands of People

weighing the dangers of spending the vacation across the desk with cherished

ones.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  We had been type of debating on what to do between getting

along with the entire household or simply staying native.

MEREDITH:  The demand for testing excessive, strains lengthy. Right here in Washington,

Nationwide Park set to open tomorrow as a mega testing web site.

The variety of COVID sufferers in hospitals doubling prior to now month and

setting data day by day. Overwhelming well being care methods and leaving

front-line staff annoyed and fatigued.

JAMIE BROWN, MICHIGAN NURSES ASSOCIATION:  The restrictions are completely

needed proper now. The pandemic is uncontrolled.

MEREDITH:  The heightened measures embody some 37 states mandating masks,

encouraging residents to remain house and limiting companies.

In Oregon, it is a two-week freeze. Philadelphia, a brand new ban on indoor eating

and in California a nighttime curfew taking impact in a single day as instances there

hit 1 million and rising.

DR. PETER CHIN-HONG, INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALIST:  The speed of improve

within the surge is breathtaking and sudden.

MEREDITH:  Texas shattering its single day document this week with greater than

12,000 new instances, however nonetheless resisting lockdowns.

GREG ABBOTT (R), TEXAS GOVERNOR:  There are many instruments within the

toolboxes of native authorities to realize the outcomes which can be wanted.

MEREDITH:  In the meantime, a bipartisan group of governors within the Midwest the place

instances are skyrocketing, urging of us to stay near house to cease the

search.

ANDY BESHEAR (D), KENTUCKY GOVERNOR:  Nobody desires Thanksgiving, which is

an incredible time, to develop into a super-spreader occasion.

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WALLACE:  Lots of these new restrictions are anticipated, at the least for now, to

final two to 4 weeks.

We need to get the newest from Dr. Tom Inglesby, director of the Heart for

Well being Safety at Johns Hopkins College.

Physician, I need to begin with some extra numbers — put them up on the

display. Greater than 83,000 individuals are actually hospitalized on this nation.

That is a document excessive. Over 16,000 are in ICUs and greater than 5,000 are on

ventilators.

Why are we seeing this new spike proper now and the way shut are we to

overwhelming our well being care system?

DR. TOM INGLESBY, JOHN HOPKINS BLOOMBERG SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH:  Good

morning, Chris. Thanks for having me in your present.

We’re seeing this new spike due to the gradual accumulation of decisions

and insurance policies over the past couple of months. This virus has the power to

unfold exponentially, which means an increasing number of quickly if we let it, and

in contrast to the springtime, when the nation actually was performing type of with

frequent function round March and April, initially of this pandemic and

when the virus was situated and relatively fewer locations, the epidemic now

is surging in nearly each state within the nation with the Midwest and the

Mountain West actually being out actually in entrance by way of quickly

accelerating numbers of instances.

So, it isn’t — it isn’t confined to a couple locations, it is actually unfold

throughout the nation. It is not simply in huge cities nevertheless it’s in rural

areas, small cities. And so, that’s including as much as document numbers of

hospitalizations and as you mentioned, the strain on hospitals is the best

it has been for the reason that starting of the pandemic, with a couple of thousand

hospitals reporting this week that they are critically quick on well being care

staff or shall be very quickly, and that quantity will develop this week.

So it is a very, very critical second for the nation by way of this

pandemic.

WALLACE:  A minimum of 37 states are actually requiring individuals to put on masks in

public. However the debate over masks and partial or whole closures, shutdowns,

is constant.

Right here is South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem.

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GOV. KRISTI NOEM (R), SOUTH DAKOTA:  I am not in favor of mandating masks

sporting. I do not consider that I’ve the authority to mandate that and that

individuals can use their very own private accountability to decide when it

involves masks.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE:  What in regards to the argument that authorities can suggest, nevertheless it

should not be ordering individuals what to do or to not do?

INGLESBY:  Properly, we belief authorities to do issues to maintain us protected. So we

belief authorities to set pace limits in neighborhoods so we do not drive too

quick and danger, you recognize, injuring or killing children who had been taking part in within the

road and neighborhood.

So I feel that will be the analogy I might consider right here. I feel there

are some occasions when it is actually vital for presidency to set the foundations

and to ask individuals to observe them and I feel that is a type of occasions. If

37 states can set masks mandates, then the set remainder of the states can set

masks mandates as effectively, and they need to.

WALLACE:  Let me ask you about one other facet of this explicit debate.

New York Metropolis simply shut down its public college system, forcing greater than 1

million college students to remain at house.

However there’s some rising proof that the truth is faculties aren’t main

spreaders of the illness.

Right here is CDC director, Dr. Robert Redfield, this week.

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DR. ROBERT REDFIELD, CDC DIRECTOR:  The reality is for youths Ok-12, one of many

most secure locations they are often from our perspective is to stay at school.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE:  Physician, what is the science? Are children safer staying at school?

INGLESBY:  So, it does appear to be on the Ok-Eight degree of faculty, that youngsters are

each at — definitely at decrease danger of great illness and possibly as a result of

of the way in which college occurs, smaller teams of youngsters, not mixing collectively, no

massive assemblies, that they’re safer than excessive faculties or universities,

for instance. We’ve not had stories of main outbreaks driving transmission

in communities.

However then again, we aren’t systematically sufficient amassing knowledge

across the nation proper now. And faculties which have made mitigation

measures have been capable of lower classroom density, have been capable of

have children put on masks, and assemblies, change pickup and drop-off, these

faculties we expect are doing higher and are creating safer environments, however

not all faculties have been in a position to do this. Not all faculties have the

sources to place mitigation measures in place.

So I do assume it is exhausting to have common guidelines. I do not assume we will go

that far, however in locations the place they put mitigation procedures in place and

group transmission in that individual college district is comparatively

low. I do assume these are safer environments. The issue is that now we

are seeing transmission ranges throughout the nation which can be increased than

they’ve ever been for the reason that begin of this pandemic.

So, we’re type of getting into in uncharted territory in lots of locations, which

have monumental charges of unfold. So we’ve not seen these charges of unfold in

different components of the world, so we do not actually have these locations to be taught

from, and I feel we have now to be very cautious about making judgments about

security in faculties when the speed will get so excessive in communities.

WALLACE:  After which there’s Thanksgiving. We’re seeing already airports

with lengthy strains of individuals ready in line, going by safety, getting

on planes.

Ought to individuals journey for Thanksgiving or not? And in the event that they’re sure to

anyway, what can they do to attenuate their danger?

INGLESBY:  So, I might suggest that folks don’t journey on Thanksgiving

for this explicit vacation. I feel when you take a look at the map of unfold

throughout the nation, you may see the danger. It’s extremely seen.

And transferring by airports or journey hubs, I feel that can improve

individuals’s danger, however even when they’re driving from point-to-point,

sadly, we do not know if we’re contaminated after we stroll right into a

gathering. CDC got here out with knowledge this week that mentioned greater than 50 %

of infections which can be taking place are brought on by individuals with no signs. So

I feel the message for everybody is you may’t assume that you do not have

the virus and you may’t assume that the individuals who’s house you are about to

enter do not have the virus, at this level in our pandemic.

And so, we actually ought to discourage touring and type of persist with our

nuclear households, the folks that we dwell with. If you’ll journey

to another person’s house for Thanksgiving, then if potential, it’s best to spend

as a lot time open air if you’re collectively. In some locations, which may be

potential with the climate, different locations not.

Folks ought to be sporting masks indoors after they’re collectively and solely

eradicating them after they’re consuming. We must always in all probability hold meals quick and

spend extra time with masks on. And the smaller the gatherings, the higher.

However basically, I might suggest in opposition to it. I like being with my household

on Thanksgiving, however this yr, we’re staying house, simply our nuclear

household.

WALLACE:  However, Dr. Scott Atlas, who’s one in every of President Trump’s high COVID-

19 officers, gave very totally different recommendation this week. Have a look.

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DR. SCOTT ATLAS, WHITE HOUSE CORONAVIRUS TASK FORCE:  This sort of

isolation is likely one of the unstated tragedies of the aged, who are actually

being advised, do not see your loved ones at Thanksgiving. For many individuals, that is

their last Thanksgiving, consider it or not. What are we doing right here?

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WALLACE:  Straight out, ought to individuals hearken to Dr. Atlas or not?

INGLESBY:  You recognize, I do not assume so. I feel there — there are a selection

of officers from the U.S. authorities who’ve 30 years of expertise

getting ready for and responding to infectious illness outbreaks, together with Dr.

Fauci, and I feel their recommendation has been very clear. CDC’s recommendation could be very

clear. CDC’s job is to attempt to stop the unfold of outbreaks.

I feel — I do not know Dr. Atlas, however his background is kind of totally different,

and I feel we must always persist with the scientists who’ve led us by

previous outbreaks.

WALLACE:  I’ve obtained two questions I need to squeeze in right here, so I will

want fast solutions from you.

Initially, there’s some excellent news, and that, after all, is the very fact

that —

INGLESBY:  Sure.

WALLACE:  — it appears like we have now not one, however two vaccines as a part of

Operation Warp Pace. They’re on the way in which. Pfizer on Friday utilized for

emergency use authorization.

Assuming that they are accepted by the FDA, how assured ought to People

be about taking these vaccines?

INGLESBY:  Yeah. I would not name this excellent news. I might name this nice

excellent news. It is implausible. It is in all probability the very best information we have had for the reason that

begin of the pandemic.

We’ve two vaccines which can be making their manner by the approval course of

which may be as excessive as 95 % efficient and gave the impression to be protected primarily based on

the data we have seen to this point. Clearly, they should undergo the

ordinary FDA evaluate course of, and that is going to start now for one of many

vaccines and can start shortly for the second.

But when it does get by that course of and if they’re reviewed by an

exterior scientific committee which has no stake within the end result aside from

the security and effectiveness for People of those vaccines, then I’ll

believe in these vaccines. In fact, I need to learn about others

from inside the authorities, with a give it some thought, what Dr. Fauci assume

about it, what different scientific authorities in FDA and CDC give it some thought.

However at this level I’ll believe within the vaccine, and if — if it

makes it by these processes and I feel it is going to assist us change the

course of this pandemic within the months forward.

WALLACE:  Lastly, and I would like a fast reply right here, the delayed transition –

INGLESBY:  Yeah.

WALLACE:  — President-elect Biden mentioned at the moment that folks could die as a result of

the Trump administration shouldn’t be studying them in on vaccine distribution

points for a seamless turnover on January 20th. However the president’s press

secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, mentioned that the — that data is already

on the market.

Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT-ELECT:  We do not have entry to all the data

that we have to get from all the assorted businesses.

KAYLEIGH MCENANY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY:  It is the COVID-19

vaccination program, the interim playbook for jurisdiction operations. This

is publicly accessible if the previous vp wish to learn

by it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE:  Is McEnany proper? Is the general public playbook sufficient?

INGLESBY:  No, it isn’t. I imply, there’s a lot happening contained in the

authorities to organize — to answer this pandemic and to organize for it.

I give it some thought like a hospital caring for many sufferers.

When a shift is leaving, the medical doctors and nurses who’ve been taken care of

all of the sick sufferers, they spend time with the shift that’s coming in.

They need to clarify the small print, what might go unsuitable, who’s been in

bother.

That is the identical factor that ought to be taking place now. We ought to be going over

the small print, the people who find themselves leaving are going to wish to take — want

to spend time with and clarify intimately all of the science and the information for

people who find themselves coming in.

WALLACE:  Dr. Inglesby, thanks. Thanks once more on your time and we want

you a contented and protected Thanksgiving, sir.

INGLESBY:  Thanks a lot, Chris, you too.

WALLACE:  Up subsequent, we’ll usher in our Sunday group to debate the politics

and coverage of COVID-19, and the promise of vaccines that look to be on the

manner.

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FAUCI:  In case you’re preventing a battle and the cavalry is on the way in which, you

do not cease taking pictures, you retain going till the cavalry will get right here, after which

you would possibly even need to proceed preventing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE:  Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s high infectious illness official,

urging People to proceed finest practices only a bit longer as we wait

for these COVID vaccines.

And it is time now for our Sunday group — former Republican Congressman

Jason Chaffetz, former Democratic Congresswoman Jane Harman, director of

the Wilson Heart, and Jonathan Swan from “Axios”.

Jonathan, is there any push contained in the White Home to start a provisional

transition to learn members of the Trump — of the Biden transition group in

on issues like vaccine distribution simply in case, or is that also regarded

as an act of disloyalty to President Trump and his effort to overturn

election?

JONATHAN SWAN, AXIOS NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER:  None in anyway. It is

nonetheless regarded an act of disloyalty to President Trump and nobody in his

circle has coercive energy to that impact at this level. They’re privately

distancing themselves from the Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis

authorized effort which now asserts that there’s a global prison

communist conspiracy stretching from Venezuela to Cuba, involving hacking

into voting machines and switching hundreds of thousands of votes. That is not a broadly

accepted idea inside Trump’s internal circle.

Even a few of his most hard-core loyalists staying the heck away from that,

however that does not imply that they’re sitting down with the president saying,

Mr. President, you need to concede and begin doing transition. That is not

taking place to — so far as my reporting is anxious.

WALLACE:  Congressman Chaffetz, this week the governor of your state, of

Utah, issued a masks mandate for the primary time. As we’re seeing, and also you

simply heard Dr. Inglesby keep the unfold of the virus is the worst that it is

been by a number of measures, a number of multiples, 195 instances on Friday alone. Are

some conservatives starting to rethink this problem of mandates and closures

and shutdowns?

JASON CHAFFETZ, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR:  Properly, I feel doing it state-by-

state does make sense. Utah early on within the course of was not struggling a

main outbreak.

However I feel the precept of non-public decision-making, ensuring that the

data is on the market and that folks take private accountability is

nonetheless core to what Republicans consider in. And, look, it was Donald Trump

and his administration very early on this course of talked in regards to the 15 days

to sluggish the unfold into wash her palms vigorously, do not contact your face,

put on a masks, and to be socially distant.

And I nonetheless assume that these are viable — you recognize, that is the way in which individuals

ought to go, however additionally they need to have some extent of non-public

accountability as a result of in a few of the most stringent locations like New York,

they’ve seen a few of the highest demise charges. So we realized loads, however

these are good issues to do. We must always hearken to the scientists.

WALLACE:  However, in — as I mentioned, the Republican governor of the deeply purple

state of Utah issued a masks mandate for the primary time. Do you could have a

downside with that?

CHAFFETZ:  Not — it isn’t as deep as a few of these different states. There was

a really sturdy suggestion, nevertheless it’s not as far as to say what Gavin

Newsom mentioned in California to put on a masks and to place it again on in between

bites of meals. That is not what Governor Herbert mentioned.

WALLACE:  No, he did not say that, he simply mentioned put on a masks when you may.

Congresswoman Harman, I need to discuss to you about these two vaccines that

have now gone by the trial course of and one in every of them at Pfizer is now

in search of emergency use authorization.

Right here is the pinnacle of Pfizer.

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ALBERT BOURLA, PFIZER CEO:  We’re saying that lastly we’re

submitting our utility for emergency use authorization to the U.S. FDA.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE:  Does not President Trump deserve credit score, the truth is an excessive amount of

credit score, for Operation Warp Pace and this personal accomplice — private-public

partnership which has resulted in two vaccines in lower than ten months with

extra on the way in which?

JANE HARMAN, FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN (D-CA):  Sure. I feel he does. However let’s

perceive that the pharma firms began forward of Warp Pace to start out

growing these vaccines and developed them in a brand-new manner. So, sure,

he does.

Congress does too. Congress offered $10 billion within the CARES Act in March,

which give a jump-start to Moderna, which had nearly no capacity to do

this. Pfizer did. Pfizer has been rather more profitable, strong firm and

now they’re each nearly on the end line.

However another level, Chris. Growing a vaccine is nice. Getting them in

individuals’s arms is the brand new problem.

And I would like President Trump to be first in line getting a type of

vaccines in order that he can present hundreds of thousands of People who nonetheless assume we want

to cease the steal that these are protected and efficacious as a result of we cannot get

to the top of this except we have now a rustic the place an enormous variety of individuals

are vaccinated.

WALLACE:  However, Jonathan, as a substitute of celebrating the Pfizer announcement on

Friday, President Trump recommended that the corporate had really held up its

announcement of the brand new vaccine till after the election.

Check out the president on Friday.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES:  They waited and waited and

waited and so they thought they’d come out with it a number of days after the

election. And it could have in all probability had an impression, who is aware of, possibly it

would not have. I am positive they might have discovered the ballots someplace, the

Democrats.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE:  Does the president actually consider that huge pharma was out to get

him and purposely within the case of Pfizer delayed this announcement as a result of

he desires to decrease drug costs?

SWAN:  Properly, that will require type of an MRI of his soul. I imply, I do not

know whether or not he genuinely believes that. He definitely was saying it

privately to advisors within the lead as much as election. He was watching these adverts

hitting him from the pharmaceutical business and he was making feedback to

his aides that, oh, we’re clearly doing one thing proper, you recognize, they

try to get me.

And, you recognize, as one in every of his aides mentioned to me, he sees every thing by

the jail of his self. So, it is fully in character for him to see

that announcement as all about him and attempting to recreation the election.

WALLACE:  Congressman Chaffetz, final phrase right here. And I would like a fairly temporary

final phrase.

Do you assume it is credible that Pfizer was taking part in politics right here and

delaying the announcement of this vaccine, which is so vital to the

nation, so vital to Pfizer, simply to attempt to harm the president’s

reelection possibilities?

CHAFFETZ:  I actually do not know, Chris, nevertheless it did come out only one week

after the election. I want it had come out naturally when it was supposed

to. And — however most significantly I hope it helps and saves the lives of

hundreds of thousands of People.

WALLACE:  Properly, I feel that is one thing that each one of us can agree on.

Panel, we have now to take a break right here, however after we come again, how President-

elect Biden is continuing going through resistance from the Trump White Home and

strain from the left. We’ll discuss with a key member of the Biden group.

That is subsequent.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WALLACE:  Developing, Donald Trump retains preventing the election leads to

court docket and delaying the transition.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BIDEN:  Extremely damaging messages being despatched to the remainder of the world

about how democracy features.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE:  We’ll ask a senior advisor to the president-elect, Kate

Bedingfield, how the Biden discipline to group is dealing with these challenges.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: President-elect Biden is predicted to

announce key members of his cupboard this week, whilst President Trump

retains attempting to overturn the election.

In a second, we’ll communicate with Kate Bedingfield, senior advisor to the Biden

transition.

However let’s start with Jacqui Heinrich, who’s monitoring the president-elect in

Delaware.

Jacqui.

JACQUI HEINRICH, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Chris, President-elect Joe Biden’s

authorized group says the system is working as recounts affirm Biden’s win. Instances

are tossed in courts, together with a case in battleground Pennsylvania

yesterday and Michigan legislators are summoned to Washington in an

obvious bid to nominate faithless electors.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BOB BAUER, BIDEN LEGAL ADVISER: Whereas the president and his allies are

ripping on the material of the democracy in any manner they’ll, the material is

not tearing. It is holding agency.

HEINRICH (voice over): Regardless of time misplaced coordinating with federal businesses

amid a public well being and financial disaster, President-elect Joe Biden’s group

to this point has not pursued authorized motion.

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES: It is not going to hurry it

up significantly for my part. And, within the meantime, I — I’m hopeful that

I am going to have the ability to get cooperation from our Republican colleagues in

the Senate and the Home.

HEINRICH: As a substitute, he is forming his authorities amid requires inclusion

from progressives and a few criticism over his first hires.

JEN PSAKI, BIDEN TRANSITION ADVISER: I might encourage individuals to attend till

we have made even one announcement a couple of cupboard member and positively extra

than only a dozen White Home names earlier than they go judgment.

HEINRICH: Biden’s additionally calling on states and Congress to do what he cannot

proper now, together with passing an emergency support package deal to combat the pandemic

and restore the financial system.

BIDEN: In my Oval Workplace, mi casa, you casa. I will want that. I hope

we’re going to spend so much of time collectively.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

HEINRICH: Biden is predicted to announce some cupboard nominees on Tuesday.

He is already picked his selection to move up the Treasury and considerably

that title has not been leaked, Chris.

WALLACE: Jacqui Heinrich reporting from Wilmington.

Jacqui, thanks.

And becoming a member of us now, senior advisor to the Biden transition group, Kate

Bedingfield.

Kate, welcome again to FOX NEWS SUNDAY.

KATE BEDINGFIELD, BIDEN-HARRIS TRANSITION SENIOR ADVISER: Thanks for having

me, Chris.

WALLACE: Does the president-elect have any issues whether or not or not

President Trump’s effort to overturn the election will succeed, and is he

reconsidering in any respect his resolution to not go to court docket both, one, to

shield his victory within the election and, two, to attempt to pressure the

transition to start?

BEDINGFIELD: No, he doesn’t have any concern. I feel what we have seen over

the course of the previous couple of weeks are these lawsuits, these lawsuits from

the Trump marketing campaign and their allies have been laughed out of court docket after

court docket all throughout the nation. They’re getting completely no traction.

We have seen the Republican governor and Republican secretary of state in

Georgia this week reaffirm the — the recount outcomes there, reaffirm the

outcomes that Joe Biden gained the state of Georgia.

Look, Joe Biden gained the choice by 80 million votes. He gained 306 Electoral

School votes, which is similar — the identical end result from 2016 that Donald

Trump referred to as a landslide when he gained 306 Electoral School votes.

So, no, we have now completely no concern that that is going to have any

end result on — on the election itself.

In your query in regards to the transition and suing the GSA, I might say, look,

you recognize, litigation shouldn’t be a panacea. It isn’t going to — to all of a sudden

transfer issues ahead. What is going to transfer issues ahead is the GSA administrator

signing the piece of paper, you recognize, the statute says that it’s her

obligation to establish the obvious winner of the election.

I do not assume there’s anyone on the earth who would recommend, besides possibly

the oldsters round Donald Trump, that Joe Biden was not the obvious winner

of this election. Once more, he gained 306 Electoral School votes and 80 million

votes from People all throughout the nation. So she ought to confirm the

outcomes of the election in order that we will transfer ahead with a seamless

transition.

WALLACE: Now, in his protection, President Trump argues that Democrats sought

to delegitimize his election from the very begin, in pushing the concept

there was a Russia collusion, pushing the Mueller investigation, even

impeaching him. The president says that your aspect has no proper to complain

now when he’s contesting this election.

BEDINGFIELD: That’s, frankly, Chris, I feel that’s absurd. And that’s

an apples and oranges comparability at finest. What we’re speaking about proper

now’s Donald Trump actively attempting to overturn the need of the American

individuals state-by-state. And what we’re seeing throughout the board is that

courts throughout the nation, governors and secretaries of state throughout the

nation are rejecting that. They’re saying the — the election was truthful. It

was professional. Joe Biden gained by a useful margin. Once more, a margin that

Donald Trump himself referred to as a landslide in 2016. And we’re persevering with to

see Republicans come out and acknowledge this as effectively. You recognize, Senator

Toomey made a press release yesterday acknowledging Joe Biden because the president-

elect and inspiring the transition to maneuver ahead. We have seen even

Donald Trump’s nationwide safety advisor Robert O’Brien has mentioned that the

transition ought to transfer ahead.

So I feel all throughout the nation People rose — rose up —

WALLACE: However — however what in regards to the — however what in regards to the argument that that

— but when I could, simply what in regards to the argument that Democrats had been attempting to

overturn the professional election of — of Donald Trump? Perhaps not in — so

a lot in contesting the election, however the way in which they acted on a lot of

fronts with investigations over the 4 years of his presidency?

BEDINGFIELD: I do not assume that when a president will get elected that he’s no

longer held accountable as he strikes by his administration. I feel

that is an extremely totally different factor. I feel investigations into whether or not a

president has behaved appropriately or not — or not are fully — an

fully totally different matter than what Donald Trump is attempting to do right here,

which is to — is to actively overturn the need of the American individuals, to

subvert the democratic system, to sow doubt about — in regards to the foundations

of our democracy. That may be a fully totally different factor. And it is — look,

it is a PR stunt. It is a sideshow. I feel you’ll solely have to take a look at

Rudy Giuliani’s press convention a few days in the past to understand that

this isn’t a critical, refined effort. And, most significantly, it is going to

fail. It has failed, it is persevering with to fail, as a result of, once more, Joe Biden

overwhelmingly gained this election, 306 Electoral School votes. The American

individuals voted for Joe Biden to be sworn in on January 20, 2021, and he’ll

be.

WALLACE: Proper. What number of — we — we perceive that the — it has been

introduced the president-elect goes to call some cupboard appointments on

Tuesday. What number of, and which of them?

BEDINGFIELD: Properly, I’ve been on this enterprise lengthy sufficient to know that I

am not going to get forward of President-elect Biden and his announcement.

However you might be proper, we shall be making our first cupboard bulletins on

Tuesday of this week and, you recognize, I might say the president-elect could be very

enthusiastic about this group and appears ahead to introducing them to the

nation.

WALLACE: Are you able to even inform us a quantity, what number of?

BEDINGFIELD: I can not. I — everybody should simply tune in on Tuesday

and we’ll — it is going to be made recognized then.

WALLACE: OK.

The president additionally — president-elect, and we — we confirmed it in — in

Jacqui’s piece, met with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer on Friday. And he

talked afterwards about he desires to see a COVID aid invoice handed by the

lame duck Congress and the subsequent couple of weeks. Cannot wait till January

20th.

Query, when is he going to satisfy with Senate Majority Chief Mitch

McConnell?

BEDINGFIELD: Properly, he is trying ahead to doing that when the time is

proper. Clearly, you recognize, he and Senator McConnell have had productive

working relationship prior to now and he appears ahead to — to assembly with

Senator McConnell when that second — when that second arrives.

However you are completely proper, he believes that we have to get a aid invoice

achieved within the lame duck. Individuals are hurting everywhere in the nation. Folks want

cash of their pockets to make lease. They want cash of their pockets to

afford groceries. Small companies want that cash. Academics want that

cash. Robust selections about layoffs of firefighters and important staff

are being made throughout this nation as a result of Congress will not transfer ahead on

— on a package deal. So that could be a precedence for him. That’s one thing that he is

going to proceed to push within the lame duck.

WALLACE: However — however, Kate — however, however, Kate, you — you may’t go COVID

aid with out the Senate majority chief. He is almost all chief within the

Senate, Mitch McConnell. Is the president-elect prepared to satisfy with him now?

In different — I am attempting to get a way, is it President-elect Biden whose

holding up the assembly or is it Mitch McConnell?

BEDINGFIELD: We strongly hope that Senator McConnell will come to the

desk. I feel when you take a look at the place the Democrats have been throughout the

whole course of this yr. You recognize, Democrats handed a invoice again in Could

and we have seen — we have seen obstruction from Republicans. So, clearly,

we’re very useful that Mitch McConnell will come to the desk. It’s

vital. Individuals are anticipating it. You recognize, they voted for — on this —

on this election, they voted for motion, they voted for progress and so they

voted for some —

WALLACE: However simply to — simply to — simply to press this, would — would Biden

meet — would — would Biden meet with McConnell proper now?

BEDINGFIELD: Sure, completely. Completely. Sure. Sure. It’s important that

Senator McConnell come to the desk.

WALLACE: So the holdup right here —

BEDINGFIELD: And we’re — and we’re very hopeful — we’re very hopeful that

we’ll be capable to see progress quickly on this invoice as a result of individuals all throughout

the nation desperately want it.

WALLACE: The — the president-elect is already taking warmth from the — the

left wing of the Democratic Get together. I need to play a few of that, that we noticed

this week.

Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. RASHIDA TLAIB (D-MI): We’ll guarantee that the Biden

administration sticks to our timeline, is transferring in the direction of our timeline. And

so I ask all of you, don’t transfer from the needle. Don’t.

REP. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ (D-NY): That is what our subsequent transfer is, is to

guarantee that the Biden administration retains its promise.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: And Senator Bernie Sanders mentioned it could be, quote, enormously

insulting if Biden ignored the progressive group.

So how a lot strain does the president-elect really feel to repay the left for

its help on this election?

BEDINGFIELD: Joe Biden was elected with an extremely broad coalition of

voters and a broad coalition of help. That features help from the

progressive wing of the get together. That features help from the extra reasonable

wing of the get together. It included help from independents and Republicans. I

imply he gained 80 million votes all throughout the nation, an historic variety of

votes for a president-elect.

So, look, we have now each intention, I can let you know definitively, Joe Biden

goes to maintain his guarantees. He’s — he put — he laid out plans on this

marketing campaign which can be daring and that meet the crises that we’re going through. We’re

going through 4 extremely overwhelming and historic crises on this nation,

together with the general public well being disaster and the financial disaster that goes with

it, along with the local weather disaster and the racial injustice disaster that

we’re seeing on this nation.

WALLACE: Proper.

BEDINGFIELD: He campaigned on daring plans to sort out all of those crises that

he has each intention of protecting his guarantees.

WALLACE: Kate, thanks. Thanks for becoming a member of us. I hope you get at the least

the time off for Thanksgiving, however I think it is a busy time for you.

BEDINGFIELD: It’s, however thanks very a lot for having me. I — I

admire being right here, Chris.

WALLACE: Up subsequent, our Sunday panel returns to debate President Trump’s

ongoing effort to problem the outcomes of the 2020 election.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Massive pharma ran hundreds of thousands of

dollars of damaging commercials in opposition to me through the marketing campaign, which I

gained, by the way in which, however, you recognize, we’ll discover that out. Virtually 74 million

votes. We had huge pharma in opposition to us. We had the media in opposition to us. We had

huge tech in opposition to us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: President Trump, as soon as once more, claiming victory over Joe Biden and a

big range of opponents.

And we’re again now with the panel.

Jonathan, the — the president and his authorized group had a nasty week in attempting

to overturn the election, each in court docket and in addition in conferences with state

legislators and attempting to get them to flip the electors that every state

will appoint.

The place does the president stand now on this effort to attempt to reverse the

outcomes of the election?

JONATHAN SWAN, NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER, “AXIOS”: Properly, it is exhausting to

really see. I imply I simply obtained a fundraising e-mail from the Trump

marketing campaign assuring me that there’s a path to victory and elevating small

greenback donations from a bunch of Republican donors, small donors, lots of

them aged, telling them that there is nonetheless a option to win.

I can not see it and — and, frankly, once I discuss to a lot of the president’s

senior advisors, however whether or not or not it’s the marketing campaign or the West Wing, they

cannot see it both. They are not — they don’t seem to be saying that publicly, of

course, however that is what they do say privately nearly universally. They’re

attempting a number of tracks. They’re attempting litigation. They only obtained thrown out

of court docket in Pennsylvania. They’re attempting type of coercion with a few of

these state legislatures, attempting to get them to overturn the electors. And

then they’re doing a type of macro — I do not even know what you’ll name

it, however that is what I referred to earlier, this conspiracy idea that’s

very exhausting to observe, however is being pushed by his — President Trump and his

authorized group.

WALLACE: I am — I will decide up on — I will decide up on that in

a second.

SWAN: Sure. OK. Positive.

WALLACE: However — however you — from every thing you may see, the president is

nonetheless full pace forward?

SWAN: Sure. Sure, I have not seen any signal that he is pulling again. However, once more,

I see no signal that there is any believable path ahead.

WALLACE: Congressman Chaffetz, you’re a loyal supporter of — of the

president, however I — I need to play, and the — that is what Jonathan was

referring to, a clip of one of many high members of his authorized group this week.

Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SIDNEY POWELL, TRUMP ATTORNEY: What we’re actually coping with right here and

uncovering extra by the day is the large affect of communist cash

by Venezuela, Cuba, and sure China within the interference with our

elections right here in america.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: There may be not, Congressman, a shred of proof that any of that’s

true.

Do you haven’t any issues that this can be damaging the nation?

JASON CHAFFETZ, FORMER CONGRESSMAN (R-UT) AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: I do

have some issues. I — it is one factor to have a president — or to have a

press convention, however they do want to provide proof. And, fairly frankly,

the one ones that it issues are in entrance of a court docket. And they also’ve obtained

to prevail in a court docket. Supposedly, they’ll be aggressive there in

— within the — within the state of Georgia. I do assume there’s proof there. I

— to recommend that there is not any proof I feel it could be unsuitable.

And let me simply add, Chris, (INAUDIBLE) —

WALLACE: However, wait, wait, wait. Wait, you assume there — wait, Congressman,

you assume there’s proof of communist cash pouring by Venezuela,

Cuba, and China to overthrow this election?

CHAFFETZ: No. No, I do not. no, I do not. even — even —

WALLACE: To show — you recognize, to — to falsely elect Joe —

CHAFFETZ: No. No, however what I do — like, she even mentioned possible China, however —

WALLACE: No, you do not assume there’s proof?

CHAFFETZ: Properly, I feel there’s — you are — you are attempting to lump it into

only one group. I am simply saying there are many fronts on which there are

some bits of proof. However to recommend that there is possible Chinese language cash

flowing by this, I do not see any proof of that. Even the lawyer

is saying it — it’d occur.

However the level I need to make right here, Chris, is, continuity of presidency is

crucial. I do assume the GSA ought to loosen up that cash. Perhaps the

president will prevail. Personally, I hope that they do. But when they do not,

continuity of presidency is much too vital, and that ought to occur.

WALLACE: Congresswoman Harman, I need to pull again on this just a bit

bit as a result of what the president is attempting to do right here, in — in a particular

case the place he met with state legislatures, is attempting to tie up states that

Biden gained, their capacity to call electors for Biden in order that the state

legislatures, in locations the place they’re managed by Republicans, might

really certify Trump electors.

What do you make of all that?

JANE HARMAN, FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN (D-CA) AND WILSON CENTER DIRECTOR: Properly,

it is — they’re as much as no good. I noticed elections in about ten international locations,

together with Afghanistan and Chile and Ukraine and — and in all places else over

the years, by no means anticipating that my very own nation would set a nasty instance. In

reality, Richard Nixon, after he misplaced in 1960, when there was some credible

proof of election fraud, in contrast to now, mentioned that the transition needed to

proceed as a result of he did not need to set a nasty instance.

That is bogus. I am a member of the 44 individual Nationwide Council on Election

Integrity, equal Dems and — and Republicans, who say to an individual that this

has to cease. And what’s — what he is attempting now, he is completely failed in

phrases of litigation technique, is to explode the Electoral School. And in

Michigan, once more, there is a request for a 14 day delay, which I hope shall be

turned down, or I hope the governor, if she has to, she’ll change a pair

of the electors and get this going.

However the level is to delay the vote by December 14th, which is when

it is speculated to occur. After which, in some Hail Mary sense, throw this to

the Home, the place the election goes by state and there are 26 states that

have a majority Republican delegation. So he would technically win within the

Home.

I do not assume it is going to work. I feel it is previous time to get on with the

transition. And I do assume — I disagree completely with Kelly McEnany (ph) —

WALLACE: Proper.

HARMAN: That there is a handbook that Biden ought to be studying about this.

WALLACE: I’ve obtained lower than a minute left, Jonathan. As I mentioned with

Kate Bedingfield, the president-elect is getting some actual warmth from the

left now. We helped you win this election, now we wish payback.

How a lot clout does the left have with the — President-elect Biden and his

transition, each by way of coverage and personnel?

SWAN: I feel little or no. They’ve, firstly, they tried to defeat him in

the primaries and so they did not. And now they’re able the place,

frankly, you are taking a look at, except they’ve a catastrophe within the Georgia

runoffs, a Republican-controlled Senate. So, you recognize, they’ll go the

inexperienced new deal by the Home or push for Elizabeth Warren at Treasury,

however good luck. Good luck getting any of that by Mitch McConnell’s

Senate.

WALLACE: Thanks, panel. See you subsequent Sunday and blissful Thanksgiving to

all of you.

Up subsequent our “Energy Participant of the Week,” the archbishop of Washington on

main Catholics within the nation’s capital and about to make historical past as soon as

once more.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WALLACE: This Saturday, Pope Francis will elevate 13 leaders of the

Catholic Church to the rank of cardinal. Amongst them, Washington Archbishop

Wilton Gregory, who will develop into the primary black American to carry that

place. And he is our “Energy Participant of the Week.”

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

WILTON GREGORY, CARDINAL-DESIGNATE: The previous is actual. It is painful. However the

future can be potential and hopefully very optimistic.

I resolve to serve faithfully the religious wants of this native church.

WALLACE (voice over): Wilton Gregory has been the archbishop of Washington

for 18 months, and it has been a painful time for Catholics right here. In 2019,

longtime Cardinal Theodore McCarrick was defrocked after being discovered responsible

of sexual abuse.

WALLACE (on digital camera): How do you assist parishioners and clergymen hold their

belief within the church?

GREGORY: I’ve to be a person who’s dedicated to telling individuals the reality, as

— as finest as I do know.

WALLACE: What do you say in regards to the betrayal by Cardinal McCarrick?

GREGORY: I feel it is horrific. It was only a — an egregious betrayal of

belief that has deeply wounded this native church.

Do that in reminiscence of me.

WALLACE (voice over): As quickly as he took over, Gregory began speaking to

parishioners and holding listening periods with clergymen to debate the

church scandals which have troubled all of them.

WALLACE (on digital camera): Have they examined your religion within the church as an

establishment?

GREGORY: Chris, they have not examined my religion, they’ve examined my endurance.

WALLACE (voice over): As head of the archdiocese within the nation’s capital,

Gregory has to take care of topics past faith. He helps a path to

citizenship as a part of complete immigration reform at a time when

individuals crossing the border illegally remains to be extremely charged.

GREGORY: Anybody who denigrates the individuals who search a greater future, a extra

optimistic way of life for his or her household, to denigrate them is unsuitable.

WALLACE: Gregory was in sixth grade when he transferred from public to

parochial college. In brief order, he determined to transform to Catholicism and

develop into a priest.

GREGORY: I considered changing into a priest earlier than I considered changing into

a Catholic.

WALLACE (on digital camera): To be a priest, it could assist — be useful to be a

Catholic.

GREGORY: You mentioned precisely what my very own pastor mentioned, that when you’re

eager about being a priest, we have to take this step-by-step. You

cannot steal first base.

WALLACE (voice over): This week, Gregory will take an historic step,

changing into the primary African-American cardinal within the U.S., the rank simply

beneath the papacy within the Catholic Church.

Once we spoke final yr, Gregory mentioned he was in no hurry for Pope Francis

to alter the colour of his vestments.

GREGORY: I feel he could be very dissatisfied if he despatched me right here and I obtained

a nasty case of scarlet fever. My first concern earlier than I take into consideration a shade

that I’d put on is to take care of the individuals which can be right here proper in entrance of

me.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WALLACE: Because of the pandemic, Gregory arrived in Rome early so he might

quarantine for ten days earlier than the ceremony subsequent weekend.

And that is it for at the moment. Have an ideal week and a contented and protected

Thanksgiving and we’ll see you subsequent FOX NEWS SUNDAY.

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