It is a rush transcript from “Fox Information Sunday” November 22, 2020. This copy is probably not in its last type and could also be up to date.
CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: I am Chris Wallace.
The CDC advises American in opposition to touring this Thanksgiving, as
coronavirus instances overwhelm hospitals throughout the nation and the demise toll
DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSITUTE FOR ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS
DISEASES: Pause for a second and do a dedication of the risk-benefit
inside your loved ones group.
WALLACE (voice-over): State and native governments tightening restrictions
on eating places, companies, and social gatherings initially of the
nation’s busiest journey season.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I will see my household Chicago and I am so excited
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel individuals ought to keep house. It will get lonely out
WALLACE: We’ll discuss with Dr. Tom Inglesby, head of the Heart for Well being
Safety, about methods to hold your self protected as we watch for COVID vaccines.
Then, President-elect Biden’s group expresses frustration over the delayed
JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT-ELECT: We do not have entry to all the data
that we have to get from all the assorted businesses.
WALLACE: We’ll ask Kate Bedingfield, senior advisor to the Biden
transition, how the delay will have an effect on his capacity to steer on day one.
RUDY GIULIANI, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S ATTORNEY: They did not elect Joe Biden.
WALLACE: We’ll ask our Sunday panel about President Trump’s persevering with bid
to reverse the 2020 election. What are his possibilities?
WILTON GREGORY, ARCHBISHOP OF WASHINGTON, D.C.: I considered changing into a
priest earlier than I considered changing into Catholic.
WALLACE: The archbishop of Washington about to make historical past because the
nation’s first African-American cardinal.
All, proper now, on “FOX Information Sunday”.
WALLACE (on digital camera): And howdy once more from FOX Information in Washington.
This weekend, People are being urged to double down on the life-saving
measures resembling social distancing and masks sporting because the demise toll from
the coronavirus passes 250,000, and a document 195,000 new instances simply on
Friday. The exploding numbers prompting the CDC to induce individuals to not
journey for Thanksgiving.
In a second, we’ll focus on the newest spike and the excellent news about
vaccines with Dr. Tom Inglesby, one of many nation’s main specialists on
However first, Mark Meredith stories on the powerful decisions People are going through
this vacation season.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am a university pupil, so I do not actually have a lot of
a selection, however I feel any pointless journey ought to be prevented.
MARK MEREDITH, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Hundreds of thousands of People
weighing the dangers of spending the vacation across the desk with cherished
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had been type of debating on what to do between getting
along with the entire household or simply staying native.
MEREDITH: The demand for testing excessive, strains lengthy. Right here in Washington,
Nationwide Park set to open tomorrow as a mega testing web site.
The variety of COVID sufferers in hospitals doubling prior to now month and
setting data day by day. Overwhelming well being care methods and leaving
front-line staff annoyed and fatigued.
JAMIE BROWN, MICHIGAN NURSES ASSOCIATION: The restrictions are completely
needed proper now. The pandemic is uncontrolled.
MEREDITH: The heightened measures embody some 37 states mandating masks,
encouraging residents to remain house and limiting companies.
In Oregon, it is a two-week freeze. Philadelphia, a brand new ban on indoor eating
and in California a nighttime curfew taking impact in a single day as instances there
hit 1 million and rising.
DR. PETER CHIN-HONG, INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALIST: The speed of improve
within the surge is breathtaking and sudden.
MEREDITH: Texas shattering its single day document this week with greater than
12,000 new instances, however nonetheless resisting lockdowns.
GREG ABBOTT (R), TEXAS GOVERNOR: There are many instruments within the
toolboxes of native authorities to realize the outcomes which can be wanted.
MEREDITH: In the meantime, a bipartisan group of governors within the Midwest the place
instances are skyrocketing, urging of us to stay near house to cease the
ANDY BESHEAR (D), KENTUCKY GOVERNOR: Nobody desires Thanksgiving, which is
an incredible time, to develop into a super-spreader occasion.
WALLACE: Lots of these new restrictions are anticipated, at the least for now, to
final two to 4 weeks.
We need to get the newest from Dr. Tom Inglesby, director of the Heart for
Well being Safety at Johns Hopkins College.
Physician, I need to begin with some extra numbers — put them up on the
display. Greater than 83,000 individuals are actually hospitalized on this nation.
That is a document excessive. Over 16,000 are in ICUs and greater than 5,000 are on
Why are we seeing this new spike proper now and the way shut are we to
overwhelming our well being care system?
DR. TOM INGLESBY, JOHN HOPKINS BLOOMBERG SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH: Good
morning, Chris. Thanks for having me in your present.
We’re seeing this new spike due to the gradual accumulation of decisions
and insurance policies over the past couple of months. This virus has the power to
unfold exponentially, which means an increasing number of quickly if we let it, and
in contrast to the springtime, when the nation actually was performing type of with
frequent function round March and April, initially of this pandemic and
when the virus was situated and relatively fewer locations, the epidemic now
is surging in nearly each state within the nation with the Midwest and the
Mountain West actually being out actually in entrance by way of quickly
accelerating numbers of instances.
So, it isn’t — it isn’t confined to a couple locations, it is actually unfold
throughout the nation. It is not simply in huge cities nevertheless it’s in rural
areas, small cities. And so, that’s including as much as document numbers of
hospitalizations and as you mentioned, the strain on hospitals is the best
it has been for the reason that starting of the pandemic, with a couple of thousand
hospitals reporting this week that they are critically quick on well being care
staff or shall be very quickly, and that quantity will develop this week.
So it is a very, very critical second for the nation by way of this
WALLACE: A minimum of 37 states are actually requiring individuals to put on masks in
public. However the debate over masks and partial or whole closures, shutdowns,
Right here is South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GOV. KRISTI NOEM (R), SOUTH DAKOTA: I am not in favor of mandating masks
sporting. I do not consider that I’ve the authority to mandate that and that
individuals can use their very own private accountability to decide when it
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: What in regards to the argument that authorities can suggest, nevertheless it
should not be ordering individuals what to do or to not do?
INGLESBY: Properly, we belief authorities to do issues to maintain us protected. So we
belief authorities to set pace limits in neighborhoods so we do not drive too
quick and danger, you recognize, injuring or killing children who had been taking part in within the
road and neighborhood.
So I feel that will be the analogy I might consider right here. I feel there
are some occasions when it is actually vital for presidency to set the foundations
and to ask individuals to observe them and I feel that is a type of occasions. If
37 states can set masks mandates, then the set remainder of the states can set
masks mandates as effectively, and they need to.
WALLACE: Let me ask you about one other facet of this explicit debate.
New York Metropolis simply shut down its public college system, forcing greater than 1
million college students to remain at house.
However there’s some rising proof that the truth is faculties aren’t main
spreaders of the illness.
Right here is CDC director, Dr. Robert Redfield, this week.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DR. ROBERT REDFIELD, CDC DIRECTOR: The reality is for youths Ok-12, one of many
most secure locations they are often from our perspective is to stay at school.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Physician, what is the science? Are children safer staying at school?
INGLESBY: So, it does appear to be on the Ok-Eight degree of faculty, that youngsters are
each at — definitely at decrease danger of great illness and possibly as a result of
of the way in which college occurs, smaller teams of youngsters, not mixing collectively, no
massive assemblies, that they’re safer than excessive faculties or universities,
for instance. We’ve not had stories of main outbreaks driving transmission
However then again, we aren’t systematically sufficient amassing knowledge
across the nation proper now. And faculties which have made mitigation
measures have been capable of lower classroom density, have been capable of
have children put on masks, and assemblies, change pickup and drop-off, these
faculties we expect are doing higher and are creating safer environments, however
not all faculties have been in a position to do this. Not all faculties have the
sources to place mitigation measures in place.
So I do assume it is exhausting to have common guidelines. I do not assume we will go
that far, however in locations the place they put mitigation procedures in place and
group transmission in that individual college district is comparatively
low. I do assume these are safer environments. The issue is that now we
are seeing transmission ranges throughout the nation which can be increased than
they’ve ever been for the reason that begin of this pandemic.
So, we’re type of getting into in uncharted territory in lots of locations, which
have monumental charges of unfold. So we’ve not seen these charges of unfold in
different components of the world, so we do not actually have these locations to be taught
from, and I feel we have now to be very cautious about making judgments about
security in faculties when the speed will get so excessive in communities.
WALLACE: After which there’s Thanksgiving. We’re seeing already airports
with lengthy strains of individuals ready in line, going by safety, getting
Ought to individuals journey for Thanksgiving or not? And in the event that they’re sure to
anyway, what can they do to attenuate their danger?
INGLESBY: So, I might suggest that folks don’t journey on Thanksgiving
for this explicit vacation. I feel when you take a look at the map of unfold
throughout the nation, you may see the danger. It’s extremely seen.
And transferring by airports or journey hubs, I feel that can improve
individuals’s danger, however even when they’re driving from point-to-point,
sadly, we do not know if we’re contaminated after we stroll right into a
gathering. CDC got here out with knowledge this week that mentioned greater than 50 %
of infections which can be taking place are brought on by individuals with no signs. So
I feel the message for everybody is you may’t assume that you do not have
the virus and you may’t assume that the individuals who’s house you are about to
enter do not have the virus, at this level in our pandemic.
And so, we actually ought to discourage touring and type of persist with our
nuclear households, the folks that we dwell with. If you’ll journey
to another person’s house for Thanksgiving, then if potential, it’s best to spend
as a lot time open air if you’re collectively. In some locations, which may be
potential with the climate, different locations not.
Folks ought to be sporting masks indoors after they’re collectively and solely
eradicating them after they’re consuming. We must always in all probability hold meals quick and
spend extra time with masks on. And the smaller the gatherings, the higher.
However basically, I might suggest in opposition to it. I like being with my household
on Thanksgiving, however this yr, we’re staying house, simply our nuclear
WALLACE: However, Dr. Scott Atlas, who’s one in every of President Trump’s high COVID-
19 officers, gave very totally different recommendation this week. Have a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DR. SCOTT ATLAS, WHITE HOUSE CORONAVIRUS TASK FORCE: This sort of
isolation is likely one of the unstated tragedies of the aged, who are actually
being advised, do not see your loved ones at Thanksgiving. For many individuals, that is
their last Thanksgiving, consider it or not. What are we doing right here?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Straight out, ought to individuals hearken to Dr. Atlas or not?
INGLESBY: You recognize, I do not assume so. I feel there — there are a selection
of officers from the U.S. authorities who’ve 30 years of expertise
getting ready for and responding to infectious illness outbreaks, together with Dr.
Fauci, and I feel their recommendation has been very clear. CDC’s recommendation could be very
clear. CDC’s job is to attempt to stop the unfold of outbreaks.
I feel — I do not know Dr. Atlas, however his background is kind of totally different,
and I feel we must always persist with the scientists who’ve led us by
WALLACE: I’ve obtained two questions I need to squeeze in right here, so I will
want fast solutions from you.
Initially, there’s some excellent news, and that, after all, is the very fact
WALLACE: — it appears like we have now not one, however two vaccines as a part of
Operation Warp Pace. They’re on the way in which. Pfizer on Friday utilized for
emergency use authorization.
Assuming that they are accepted by the FDA, how assured ought to People
be about taking these vaccines?
INGLESBY: Yeah. I would not name this excellent news. I might name this nice
excellent news. It is implausible. It is in all probability the very best information we have had for the reason that
begin of the pandemic.
We’ve two vaccines which can be making their manner by the approval course of
which may be as excessive as 95 % efficient and gave the impression to be protected primarily based on
the data we have seen to this point. Clearly, they should undergo the
ordinary FDA evaluate course of, and that is going to start now for one of many
vaccines and can start shortly for the second.
But when it does get by that course of and if they’re reviewed by an
exterior scientific committee which has no stake within the end result aside from
the security and effectiveness for People of those vaccines, then I’ll
believe in these vaccines. In fact, I need to learn about others
from inside the authorities, with a give it some thought, what Dr. Fauci assume
about it, what different scientific authorities in FDA and CDC give it some thought.
However at this level I’ll believe within the vaccine, and if — if it
makes it by these processes and I feel it is going to assist us change the
course of this pandemic within the months forward.
WALLACE: Lastly, and I would like a fast reply right here, the delayed transition –
WALLACE: — President-elect Biden mentioned at the moment that folks could die as a result of
the Trump administration shouldn’t be studying them in on vaccine distribution
points for a seamless turnover on January 20th. However the president’s press
secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, mentioned that the — that data is already
on the market.
Have a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT-ELECT: We do not have entry to all the data
that we have to get from all the assorted businesses.
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: It is the COVID-19
vaccination program, the interim playbook for jurisdiction operations. This
is publicly accessible if the previous vp wish to learn
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Is McEnany proper? Is the general public playbook sufficient?
INGLESBY: No, it isn’t. I imply, there’s a lot happening contained in the
authorities to organize — to answer this pandemic and to organize for it.
I give it some thought like a hospital caring for many sufferers.
When a shift is leaving, the medical doctors and nurses who’ve been taken care of
all of the sick sufferers, they spend time with the shift that’s coming in.
They need to clarify the small print, what might go unsuitable, who’s been in
That is the identical factor that ought to be taking place now. We ought to be going over
the small print, the people who find themselves leaving are going to wish to take — want
to spend time with and clarify intimately all of the science and the information for
people who find themselves coming in.
WALLACE: Dr. Inglesby, thanks. Thanks once more on your time and we want
you a contented and protected Thanksgiving, sir.
INGLESBY: Thanks a lot, Chris, you too.
WALLACE: Up subsequent, we’ll usher in our Sunday group to debate the politics
and coverage of COVID-19, and the promise of vaccines that look to be on the
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
FAUCI: In case you’re preventing a battle and the cavalry is on the way in which, you
do not cease taking pictures, you retain going till the cavalry will get right here, after which
you would possibly even need to proceed preventing.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s high infectious illness official,
urging People to proceed finest practices only a bit longer as we wait
for these COVID vaccines.
And it is time now for our Sunday group — former Republican Congressman
Jason Chaffetz, former Democratic Congresswoman Jane Harman, director of
the Wilson Heart, and Jonathan Swan from “Axios”.
Jonathan, is there any push contained in the White Home to start a provisional
transition to learn members of the Trump — of the Biden transition group in
on issues like vaccine distribution simply in case, or is that also regarded
as an act of disloyalty to President Trump and his effort to overturn
JONATHAN SWAN, AXIOS NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER: None in anyway. It is
nonetheless regarded an act of disloyalty to President Trump and nobody in his
circle has coercive energy to that impact at this level. They’re privately
distancing themselves from the Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis
authorized effort which now asserts that there’s a global prison
communist conspiracy stretching from Venezuela to Cuba, involving hacking
into voting machines and switching hundreds of thousands of votes. That is not a broadly
accepted idea inside Trump’s internal circle.
Even a few of his most hard-core loyalists staying the heck away from that,
however that does not imply that they’re sitting down with the president saying,
Mr. President, you need to concede and begin doing transition. That is not
taking place to — so far as my reporting is anxious.
WALLACE: Congressman Chaffetz, this week the governor of your state, of
Utah, issued a masks mandate for the primary time. As we’re seeing, and also you
simply heard Dr. Inglesby keep the unfold of the virus is the worst that it is
been by a number of measures, a number of multiples, 195 instances on Friday alone. Are
some conservatives starting to rethink this problem of mandates and closures
JASON CHAFFETZ, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Properly, I feel doing it state-by-
state does make sense. Utah early on within the course of was not struggling a
However I feel the precept of non-public decision-making, ensuring that the
data is on the market and that folks take private accountability is
nonetheless core to what Republicans consider in. And, look, it was Donald Trump
and his administration very early on this course of talked in regards to the 15 days
to sluggish the unfold into wash her palms vigorously, do not contact your face,
put on a masks, and to be socially distant.
And I nonetheless assume that these are viable — you recognize, that is the way in which individuals
ought to go, however additionally they need to have some extent of non-public
accountability as a result of in a few of the most stringent locations like New York,
they’ve seen a few of the highest demise charges. So we realized loads, however
these are good issues to do. We must always hearken to the scientists.
WALLACE: However, in — as I mentioned, the Republican governor of the deeply purple
state of Utah issued a masks mandate for the primary time. Do you could have a
downside with that?
CHAFFETZ: Not — it isn’t as deep as a few of these different states. There was
a really sturdy suggestion, nevertheless it’s not as far as to say what Gavin
Newsom mentioned in California to put on a masks and to place it again on in between
bites of meals. That is not what Governor Herbert mentioned.
WALLACE: No, he did not say that, he simply mentioned put on a masks when you may.
Congresswoman Harman, I need to discuss to you about these two vaccines that
have now gone by the trial course of and one in every of them at Pfizer is now
in search of emergency use authorization.
Right here is the pinnacle of Pfizer.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ALBERT BOURLA, PFIZER CEO: We’re saying that lastly we’re
submitting our utility for emergency use authorization to the U.S. FDA.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Does not President Trump deserve credit score, the truth is an excessive amount of
credit score, for Operation Warp Pace and this personal accomplice — private-public
partnership which has resulted in two vaccines in lower than ten months with
extra on the way in which?
JANE HARMAN, FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN (D-CA): Sure. I feel he does. However let’s
perceive that the pharma firms began forward of Warp Pace to start out
growing these vaccines and developed them in a brand-new manner. So, sure,
Congress does too. Congress offered $10 billion within the CARES Act in March,
which give a jump-start to Moderna, which had nearly no capacity to do
this. Pfizer did. Pfizer has been rather more profitable, strong firm and
now they’re each nearly on the end line.
However another level, Chris. Growing a vaccine is nice. Getting them in
individuals’s arms is the brand new problem.
And I would like President Trump to be first in line getting a type of
vaccines in order that he can present hundreds of thousands of People who nonetheless assume we want
to cease the steal that these are protected and efficacious as a result of we cannot get
to the top of this except we have now a rustic the place an enormous variety of individuals
WALLACE: However, Jonathan, as a substitute of celebrating the Pfizer announcement on
Friday, President Trump recommended that the corporate had really held up its
announcement of the brand new vaccine till after the election.
Check out the president on Friday.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES: They waited and waited and
waited and so they thought they’d come out with it a number of days after the
election. And it could have in all probability had an impression, who is aware of, possibly it
would not have. I am positive they might have discovered the ballots someplace, the
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Does the president actually consider that huge pharma was out to get
him and purposely within the case of Pfizer delayed this announcement as a result of
he desires to decrease drug costs?
SWAN: Properly, that will require type of an MRI of his soul. I imply, I do not
know whether or not he genuinely believes that. He definitely was saying it
privately to advisors within the lead as much as election. He was watching these adverts
hitting him from the pharmaceutical business and he was making feedback to
his aides that, oh, we’re clearly doing one thing proper, you recognize, they
try to get me.
And, you recognize, as one in every of his aides mentioned to me, he sees every thing by
the jail of his self. So, it is fully in character for him to see
that announcement as all about him and attempting to recreation the election.
WALLACE: Congressman Chaffetz, final phrase right here. And I would like a fairly temporary
Do you assume it is credible that Pfizer was taking part in politics right here and
delaying the announcement of this vaccine, which is so vital to the
nation, so vital to Pfizer, simply to attempt to harm the president’s
CHAFFETZ: I actually do not know, Chris, nevertheless it did come out only one week
after the election. I want it had come out naturally when it was supposed
to. And — however most significantly I hope it helps and saves the lives of
hundreds of thousands of People.
WALLACE: Properly, I feel that is one thing that each one of us can agree on.
Panel, we have now to take a break right here, however after we come again, how President-
elect Biden is continuing going through resistance from the Trump White Home and
strain from the left. We’ll discuss with a key member of the Biden group.
That is subsequent.
WALLACE: Developing, Donald Trump retains preventing the election leads to
court docket and delaying the transition.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BIDEN: Extremely damaging messages being despatched to the remainder of the world
about how democracy features.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: We’ll ask a senior advisor to the president-elect, Kate
Bedingfield, how the Biden discipline to group is dealing with these challenges.
CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: President-elect Biden is predicted to
announce key members of his cupboard this week, whilst President Trump
retains attempting to overturn the election.
In a second, we’ll communicate with Kate Bedingfield, senior advisor to the Biden
However let’s start with Jacqui Heinrich, who’s monitoring the president-elect in
JACQUI HEINRICH, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Chris, President-elect Joe Biden’s
authorized group says the system is working as recounts affirm Biden’s win. Instances
are tossed in courts, together with a case in battleground Pennsylvania
yesterday and Michigan legislators are summoned to Washington in an
obvious bid to nominate faithless electors.
BOB BAUER, BIDEN LEGAL ADVISER: Whereas the president and his allies are
ripping on the material of the democracy in any manner they’ll, the material is
not tearing. It is holding agency.
HEINRICH (voice over): Regardless of time misplaced coordinating with federal businesses
amid a public well being and financial disaster, President-elect Joe Biden’s group
to this point has not pursued authorized motion.
JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES: It is not going to hurry it
up significantly for my part. And, within the meantime, I — I’m hopeful that
I am going to have the ability to get cooperation from our Republican colleagues in
the Senate and the Home.
HEINRICH: As a substitute, he is forming his authorities amid requires inclusion
from progressives and a few criticism over his first hires.
JEN PSAKI, BIDEN TRANSITION ADVISER: I might encourage individuals to attend till
we have made even one announcement a couple of cupboard member and positively extra
than only a dozen White Home names earlier than they go judgment.
HEINRICH: Biden’s additionally calling on states and Congress to do what he cannot
proper now, together with passing an emergency support package deal to combat the pandemic
and restore the financial system.
BIDEN: In my Oval Workplace, mi casa, you casa. I will want that. I hope
we’re going to spend so much of time collectively.
HEINRICH: Biden is predicted to announce some cupboard nominees on Tuesday.
He is already picked his selection to move up the Treasury and considerably
that title has not been leaked, Chris.
WALLACE: Jacqui Heinrich reporting from Wilmington.
And becoming a member of us now, senior advisor to the Biden transition group, Kate
Kate, welcome again to FOX NEWS SUNDAY.
KATE BEDINGFIELD, BIDEN-HARRIS TRANSITION SENIOR ADVISER: Thanks for having
WALLACE: Does the president-elect have any issues whether or not or not
President Trump’s effort to overturn the election will succeed, and is he
reconsidering in any respect his resolution to not go to court docket both, one, to
shield his victory within the election and, two, to attempt to pressure the
transition to start?
BEDINGFIELD: No, he doesn’t have any concern. I feel what we have seen over
the course of the previous couple of weeks are these lawsuits, these lawsuits from
the Trump marketing campaign and their allies have been laughed out of court docket after
court docket all throughout the nation. They’re getting completely no traction.
We have seen the Republican governor and Republican secretary of state in
Georgia this week reaffirm the — the recount outcomes there, reaffirm the
outcomes that Joe Biden gained the state of Georgia.
Look, Joe Biden gained the choice by 80 million votes. He gained 306 Electoral
School votes, which is similar — the identical end result from 2016 that Donald
Trump referred to as a landslide when he gained 306 Electoral School votes.
So, no, we have now completely no concern that that is going to have any
end result on — on the election itself.
In your query in regards to the transition and suing the GSA, I might say, look,
you recognize, litigation shouldn’t be a panacea. It isn’t going to — to all of a sudden
transfer issues ahead. What is going to transfer issues ahead is the GSA administrator
signing the piece of paper, you recognize, the statute says that it’s her
obligation to establish the obvious winner of the election.
I do not assume there’s anyone on the earth who would recommend, besides possibly
the oldsters round Donald Trump, that Joe Biden was not the obvious winner
of this election. Once more, he gained 306 Electoral School votes and 80 million
votes from People all throughout the nation. So she ought to confirm the
outcomes of the election in order that we will transfer ahead with a seamless
WALLACE: Now, in his protection, President Trump argues that Democrats sought
to delegitimize his election from the very begin, in pushing the concept
there was a Russia collusion, pushing the Mueller investigation, even
impeaching him. The president says that your aspect has no proper to complain
now when he’s contesting this election.
BEDINGFIELD: That’s, frankly, Chris, I feel that’s absurd. And that’s
an apples and oranges comparability at finest. What we’re speaking about proper
now’s Donald Trump actively attempting to overturn the need of the American
individuals state-by-state. And what we’re seeing throughout the board is that
courts throughout the nation, governors and secretaries of state throughout the
nation are rejecting that. They’re saying the — the election was truthful. It
was professional. Joe Biden gained by a useful margin. Once more, a margin that
Donald Trump himself referred to as a landslide in 2016. And we’re persevering with to
see Republicans come out and acknowledge this as effectively. You recognize, Senator
Toomey made a press release yesterday acknowledging Joe Biden because the president-
elect and inspiring the transition to maneuver ahead. We have seen even
Donald Trump’s nationwide safety advisor Robert O’Brien has mentioned that the
transition ought to transfer ahead.
So I feel all throughout the nation People rose — rose up —
WALLACE: However — however what in regards to the — however what in regards to the argument that that
— but when I could, simply what in regards to the argument that Democrats had been attempting to
overturn the professional election of — of Donald Trump? Perhaps not in — so
a lot in contesting the election, however the way in which they acted on a lot of
fronts with investigations over the 4 years of his presidency?
BEDINGFIELD: I do not assume that when a president will get elected that he’s no
longer held accountable as he strikes by his administration. I feel
that is an extremely totally different factor. I feel investigations into whether or not a
president has behaved appropriately or not — or not are fully — an
fully totally different matter than what Donald Trump is attempting to do right here,
which is to — is to actively overturn the need of the American individuals, to
subvert the democratic system, to sow doubt about — in regards to the foundations
of our democracy. That may be a fully totally different factor. And it is — look,
it is a PR stunt. It is a sideshow. I feel you’ll solely have to take a look at
Rudy Giuliani’s press convention a few days in the past to understand that
this isn’t a critical, refined effort. And, most significantly, it is going to
fail. It has failed, it is persevering with to fail, as a result of, once more, Joe Biden
overwhelmingly gained this election, 306 Electoral School votes. The American
individuals voted for Joe Biden to be sworn in on January 20, 2021, and he’ll
WALLACE: Proper. What number of — we — we perceive that the — it has been
introduced the president-elect goes to call some cupboard appointments on
Tuesday. What number of, and which of them?
BEDINGFIELD: Properly, I’ve been on this enterprise lengthy sufficient to know that I
am not going to get forward of President-elect Biden and his announcement.
However you might be proper, we shall be making our first cupboard bulletins on
Tuesday of this week and, you recognize, I might say the president-elect could be very
enthusiastic about this group and appears ahead to introducing them to the
WALLACE: Are you able to even inform us a quantity, what number of?
BEDINGFIELD: I can not. I — everybody should simply tune in on Tuesday
and we’ll — it is going to be made recognized then.
The president additionally — president-elect, and we — we confirmed it in — in
Jacqui’s piece, met with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer on Friday. And he
talked afterwards about he desires to see a COVID aid invoice handed by the
lame duck Congress and the subsequent couple of weeks. Cannot wait till January
Query, when is he going to satisfy with Senate Majority Chief Mitch
BEDINGFIELD: Properly, he is trying ahead to doing that when the time is
proper. Clearly, you recognize, he and Senator McConnell have had productive
working relationship prior to now and he appears ahead to — to assembly with
Senator McConnell when that second — when that second arrives.
However you are completely proper, he believes that we have to get a aid invoice
achieved within the lame duck. Individuals are hurting everywhere in the nation. Folks want
cash of their pockets to make lease. They want cash of their pockets to
afford groceries. Small companies want that cash. Academics want that
cash. Robust selections about layoffs of firefighters and important staff
are being made throughout this nation as a result of Congress will not transfer ahead on
— on a package deal. So that could be a precedence for him. That’s one thing that he is
going to proceed to push within the lame duck.
WALLACE: However — however, Kate — however, however, Kate, you — you may’t go COVID
aid with out the Senate majority chief. He is almost all chief within the
Senate, Mitch McConnell. Is the president-elect prepared to satisfy with him now?
In different — I am attempting to get a way, is it President-elect Biden whose
holding up the assembly or is it Mitch McConnell?
BEDINGFIELD: We strongly hope that Senator McConnell will come to the
desk. I feel when you take a look at the place the Democrats have been throughout the
whole course of this yr. You recognize, Democrats handed a invoice again in Could
and we have seen — we have seen obstruction from Republicans. So, clearly,
we’re very useful that Mitch McConnell will come to the desk. It’s
vital. Individuals are anticipating it. You recognize, they voted for — on this —
on this election, they voted for motion, they voted for progress and so they
voted for some —
WALLACE: However simply to — simply to — simply to press this, would — would Biden
meet — would — would Biden meet with McConnell proper now?
BEDINGFIELD: Sure, completely. Completely. Sure. Sure. It’s important that
Senator McConnell come to the desk.
WALLACE: So the holdup right here —
BEDINGFIELD: And we’re — and we’re very hopeful — we’re very hopeful that
we’ll be capable to see progress quickly on this invoice as a result of individuals all throughout
the nation desperately want it.
WALLACE: The — the president-elect is already taking warmth from the — the
left wing of the Democratic Get together. I need to play a few of that, that we noticed
Have a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. RASHIDA TLAIB (D-MI): We’ll guarantee that the Biden
administration sticks to our timeline, is transferring in the direction of our timeline. And
so I ask all of you, don’t transfer from the needle. Don’t.
REP. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ (D-NY): That is what our subsequent transfer is, is to
guarantee that the Biden administration retains its promise.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: And Senator Bernie Sanders mentioned it could be, quote, enormously
insulting if Biden ignored the progressive group.
So how a lot strain does the president-elect really feel to repay the left for
its help on this election?
BEDINGFIELD: Joe Biden was elected with an extremely broad coalition of
voters and a broad coalition of help. That features help from the
progressive wing of the get together. That features help from the extra reasonable
wing of the get together. It included help from independents and Republicans. I
imply he gained 80 million votes all throughout the nation, an historic variety of
votes for a president-elect.
So, look, we have now each intention, I can let you know definitively, Joe Biden
goes to maintain his guarantees. He’s — he put — he laid out plans on this
marketing campaign which can be daring and that meet the crises that we’re going through. We’re
going through 4 extremely overwhelming and historic crises on this nation,
together with the general public well being disaster and the financial disaster that goes with
it, along with the local weather disaster and the racial injustice disaster that
we’re seeing on this nation.
BEDINGFIELD: He campaigned on daring plans to sort out all of those crises that
he has each intention of protecting his guarantees.
WALLACE: Kate, thanks. Thanks for becoming a member of us. I hope you get at the least
the time off for Thanksgiving, however I think it is a busy time for you.
BEDINGFIELD: It’s, however thanks very a lot for having me. I — I
admire being right here, Chris.
WALLACE: Up subsequent, our Sunday panel returns to debate President Trump’s
ongoing effort to problem the outcomes of the 2020 election.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Massive pharma ran hundreds of thousands of
dollars of damaging commercials in opposition to me through the marketing campaign, which I
gained, by the way in which, however, you recognize, we’ll discover that out. Virtually 74 million
votes. We had huge pharma in opposition to us. We had the media in opposition to us. We had
huge tech in opposition to us.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: President Trump, as soon as once more, claiming victory over Joe Biden and a
big range of opponents.
And we’re again now with the panel.
Jonathan, the — the president and his authorized group had a nasty week in attempting
to overturn the election, each in court docket and in addition in conferences with state
legislators and attempting to get them to flip the electors that every state
The place does the president stand now on this effort to attempt to reverse the
outcomes of the election?
JONATHAN SWAN, NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER, “AXIOS”: Properly, it is exhausting to
really see. I imply I simply obtained a fundraising e-mail from the Trump
marketing campaign assuring me that there’s a path to victory and elevating small
greenback donations from a bunch of Republican donors, small donors, lots of
them aged, telling them that there is nonetheless a option to win.
I can not see it and — and, frankly, once I discuss to a lot of the president’s
senior advisors, however whether or not or not it’s the marketing campaign or the West Wing, they
cannot see it both. They are not — they don’t seem to be saying that publicly, of
course, however that is what they do say privately nearly universally. They’re
attempting a number of tracks. They’re attempting litigation. They only obtained thrown out
of court docket in Pennsylvania. They’re attempting type of coercion with a few of
these state legislatures, attempting to get them to overturn the electors. And
then they’re doing a type of macro — I do not even know what you’ll name
it, however that is what I referred to earlier, this conspiracy idea that’s
very exhausting to observe, however is being pushed by his — President Trump and his
WALLACE: I am — I will decide up on — I will decide up on that in
SWAN: Sure. OK. Positive.
WALLACE: However — however you — from every thing you may see, the president is
nonetheless full pace forward?
SWAN: Sure. Sure, I have not seen any signal that he is pulling again. However, once more,
I see no signal that there is any believable path ahead.
WALLACE: Congressman Chaffetz, you’re a loyal supporter of — of the
president, however I — I need to play, and the — that is what Jonathan was
referring to, a clip of one of many high members of his authorized group this week.
Have a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SIDNEY POWELL, TRUMP ATTORNEY: What we’re actually coping with right here and
uncovering extra by the day is the large affect of communist cash
by Venezuela, Cuba, and sure China within the interference with our
elections right here in america.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: There may be not, Congressman, a shred of proof that any of that’s
Do you haven’t any issues that this can be damaging the nation?
JASON CHAFFETZ, FORMER CONGRESSMAN (R-UT) AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: I do
have some issues. I — it is one factor to have a president — or to have a
press convention, however they do want to provide proof. And, fairly frankly,
the one ones that it issues are in entrance of a court docket. And they also’ve obtained
to prevail in a court docket. Supposedly, they’ll be aggressive there in
— within the — within the state of Georgia. I do assume there’s proof there. I
— to recommend that there is not any proof I feel it could be unsuitable.
And let me simply add, Chris, (INAUDIBLE) —
WALLACE: However, wait, wait, wait. Wait, you assume there — wait, Congressman,
you assume there’s proof of communist cash pouring by Venezuela,
Cuba, and China to overthrow this election?
CHAFFETZ: No. No, I do not. no, I do not. even — even —
WALLACE: To show — you recognize, to — to falsely elect Joe —
CHAFFETZ: No. No, however what I do — like, she even mentioned possible China, however —
WALLACE: No, you do not assume there’s proof?
CHAFFETZ: Properly, I feel there’s — you are — you are attempting to lump it into
only one group. I am simply saying there are many fronts on which there are
some bits of proof. However to recommend that there is possible Chinese language cash
flowing by this, I do not see any proof of that. Even the lawyer
is saying it — it’d occur.
However the level I need to make right here, Chris, is, continuity of presidency is
crucial. I do assume the GSA ought to loosen up that cash. Perhaps the
president will prevail. Personally, I hope that they do. But when they do not,
continuity of presidency is much too vital, and that ought to occur.
WALLACE: Congresswoman Harman, I need to pull again on this just a bit
bit as a result of what the president is attempting to do right here, in — in a particular
case the place he met with state legislatures, is attempting to tie up states that
Biden gained, their capacity to call electors for Biden in order that the state
legislatures, in locations the place they’re managed by Republicans, might
really certify Trump electors.
What do you make of all that?
JANE HARMAN, FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN (D-CA) AND WILSON CENTER DIRECTOR: Properly,
it is — they’re as much as no good. I noticed elections in about ten international locations,
together with Afghanistan and Chile and Ukraine and — and in all places else over
the years, by no means anticipating that my very own nation would set a nasty instance. In
reality, Richard Nixon, after he misplaced in 1960, when there was some credible
proof of election fraud, in contrast to now, mentioned that the transition needed to
proceed as a result of he did not need to set a nasty instance.
That is bogus. I am a member of the 44 individual Nationwide Council on Election
Integrity, equal Dems and — and Republicans, who say to an individual that this
has to cease. And what’s — what he is attempting now, he is completely failed in
phrases of litigation technique, is to explode the Electoral School. And in
Michigan, once more, there is a request for a 14 day delay, which I hope shall be
turned down, or I hope the governor, if she has to, she’ll change a pair
of the electors and get this going.
However the level is to delay the vote by December 14th, which is when
it is speculated to occur. After which, in some Hail Mary sense, throw this to
the Home, the place the election goes by state and there are 26 states that
have a majority Republican delegation. So he would technically win within the
I do not assume it is going to work. I feel it is previous time to get on with the
transition. And I do assume — I disagree completely with Kelly McEnany (ph) —
HARMAN: That there is a handbook that Biden ought to be studying about this.
WALLACE: I’ve obtained lower than a minute left, Jonathan. As I mentioned with
Kate Bedingfield, the president-elect is getting some actual warmth from the
left now. We helped you win this election, now we wish payback.
How a lot clout does the left have with the — President-elect Biden and his
transition, each by way of coverage and personnel?
SWAN: I feel little or no. They’ve, firstly, they tried to defeat him in
the primaries and so they did not. And now they’re able the place,
frankly, you are taking a look at, except they’ve a catastrophe within the Georgia
runoffs, a Republican-controlled Senate. So, you recognize, they’ll go the
inexperienced new deal by the Home or push for Elizabeth Warren at Treasury,
however good luck. Good luck getting any of that by Mitch McConnell’s
WALLACE: Thanks, panel. See you subsequent Sunday and blissful Thanksgiving to
all of you.
Up subsequent our “Energy Participant of the Week,” the archbishop of Washington on
main Catholics within the nation’s capital and about to make historical past as soon as
WALLACE: This Saturday, Pope Francis will elevate 13 leaders of the
Catholic Church to the rank of cardinal. Amongst them, Washington Archbishop
Wilton Gregory, who will develop into the primary black American to carry that
place. And he is our “Energy Participant of the Week.”
WILTON GREGORY, CARDINAL-DESIGNATE: The previous is actual. It is painful. However the
future can be potential and hopefully very optimistic.
I resolve to serve faithfully the religious wants of this native church.
WALLACE (voice over): Wilton Gregory has been the archbishop of Washington
for 18 months, and it has been a painful time for Catholics right here. In 2019,
longtime Cardinal Theodore McCarrick was defrocked after being discovered responsible
of sexual abuse.
WALLACE (on digital camera): How do you assist parishioners and clergymen hold their
belief within the church?
GREGORY: I’ve to be a person who’s dedicated to telling individuals the reality, as
— as finest as I do know.
WALLACE: What do you say in regards to the betrayal by Cardinal McCarrick?
GREGORY: I feel it is horrific. It was only a — an egregious betrayal of
belief that has deeply wounded this native church.
Do that in reminiscence of me.
WALLACE (voice over): As quickly as he took over, Gregory began speaking to
parishioners and holding listening periods with clergymen to debate the
church scandals which have troubled all of them.
WALLACE (on digital camera): Have they examined your religion within the church as an
GREGORY: Chris, they have not examined my religion, they’ve examined my endurance.
WALLACE (voice over): As head of the archdiocese within the nation’s capital,
Gregory has to take care of topics past faith. He helps a path to
citizenship as a part of complete immigration reform at a time when
individuals crossing the border illegally remains to be extremely charged.
GREGORY: Anybody who denigrates the individuals who search a greater future, a extra
optimistic way of life for his or her household, to denigrate them is unsuitable.
WALLACE: Gregory was in sixth grade when he transferred from public to
parochial college. In brief order, he determined to transform to Catholicism and
develop into a priest.
GREGORY: I considered changing into a priest earlier than I considered changing into
WALLACE (on digital camera): To be a priest, it could assist — be useful to be a
GREGORY: You mentioned precisely what my very own pastor mentioned, that when you’re
eager about being a priest, we have to take this step-by-step. You
cannot steal first base.
WALLACE (voice over): This week, Gregory will take an historic step,
changing into the primary African-American cardinal within the U.S., the rank simply
beneath the papacy within the Catholic Church.
Once we spoke final yr, Gregory mentioned he was in no hurry for Pope Francis
to alter the colour of his vestments.
GREGORY: I feel he could be very dissatisfied if he despatched me right here and I obtained
a nasty case of scarlet fever. My first concern earlier than I take into consideration a shade
that I’d put on is to take care of the individuals which can be right here proper in entrance of
WALLACE: Because of the pandemic, Gregory arrived in Rome early so he might
quarantine for ten days earlier than the ceremony subsequent weekend.
And that is it for at the moment. Have an ideal week and a contented and protected
Thanksgiving and we’ll see you subsequent FOX NEWS SUNDAY.
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